Abstract
The \emph{normal rank} of a group is the minimal number of elements whose normal closure coincides with the group. We study the relation between the normal rank of a group and its first -Betti number and conjecture that inequality does not exceed normal rank minus 1 for torsion free groups. The conjecture is proved for limits of left-orderable amenable groups. On the other hand, for every and every $\e>0$, we give an example of a simple group (with torsion) such that . These groups also provide examples of simple groups of rank exactly for every ; existence of such examples for was unknown until now.
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